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Birch And Hallam – What You Say (UK 12″)

Posted by DjPaulT on April 5th, 2016

BURNING THE GROUND EXCLUSIVE 1983

A. Front

REQUEST

“What You Say” is a single by British synth-pop duo Birch And Hallam consisting of David Birch & Nick Hallam. The duo only released two singles without any success. Nick Hallam later went on to form Stereo MCs and scored the hit “Connected” in 1992. David Birch went on to work with Thomas Dolby, Malcolm McLaren and Bruce Woolley And The Camera Club in 1983 playing guitar and contributing vocals.

This is one of those really great lost 12s that I hope many of you will come to like. Open your mind and give this one a listen.

SIDE A:
What You Say (Extended Version) 6:48

SIDE B:
What You Say 3:20
Over Me 3:05

VINYL GRADE:
Vinyl: Near Mint
Sleeve: Near Mint

RELEASE INFORMATION:
Label: A&M Records ‎– AMX 119
Format: Vinyl, 12″, 45 RPM
Country: UK
Released: 1983
Genre: Electronic
Style: New Wave, Synth-pop

CREDITS:
Backing Vocals – Days At Sea
Bass Guitar – Matthew Seligman
Percussion – Geoff Dugmore
Producer – Richard Manwaring
Written-By, Performer – David Birch*, Nick Hallam

Fibd the 12″ on DISCOGS

B. Back

EQUIPMENT USED:
Turntable: Pro-Ject Debut Carbon (DC)
Cartridge: Ortofon 2M
Stylus: Ortofon OM Stylus 30
Platter: Pro-Ject Acryl-It platter
Stabilizer: Pro-Ject Record Puck 
Phono Pre-amp:
Bellari VP130 Tube Phono Preamp
Tube:
Tung-Sol 12AX7ECC803-S Gold Electron Tube
Soundcard:
ESI Juli@
Record Cleaning:
VPI HW 16.5 Record Cleaning Machine
Artwork Scans:
Brother MFC-6490CW Professional Series Scanner

SOFTWARE USED:
Recording/Editing: Adobe Audition 3.0 (Recording)
Down Sampling: iZotope RX Advanced 2
Artwork Editor: Adobe Photoshop CS5
Click Removal: Manual
FLAC/MP3 Conversion: dBpoweramp
M3U Playlist: Playlist Creator

RESTORATION NOTES:
All vinyl rips are recorded @ 32bit/float
FLAC (Level Eight)
MP3 (320kbps)
Artwork scanned at 600dpi

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27 Responses to “Birch And Hallam – What You Say (UK 12″)”

  1. Jeff Says:

    Paul, this is new to me, but I am really anticipating loving it. I really liked the Stereo MCs so I am really intrigued. Thanks in advance for (hopefully)a new favorite.

    Jeff

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    DjPaulT Reply:

    You’re welcome Jeff I do think you will love it. When I first heard it I though why wasn’t this a hit.

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  2. Martijn van Heeringen Says:

    WOW I asked (probably so many times it got annoying) and you delivered! You made not only my day or week but my month! So you DID manage to get a clean copy!
    As I mailed you, Birch and Hallam cannot even locate a master themselves, since it was back in 83 they recorded it and tapes are probably lost. They did not intend to remaster vinyl themselves on releases like So80s of Blanc and Jones and the likes, so your upload preserves one of the super rare great unknown tracks of the 80s!
    Thanks again!!!

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    DjPaulT Reply:

    Sorry it took so long Martijn finding a near mint copy was very difficult. I am just happy that I was finally able to unearth this rare 12″. Enjoy! 🙂

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    Martijn van Heeringen Reply:

    I have listened to it, very good sound!

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  3. Daniel Says:

    Never heard about this duo before. Just listened to it. It sounds really great, especially the 12″ mix. Thank you so much Paul for posting these unknown und much underrated performers. You give us the chance to discover these hidden treasures.

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    DjPaulT Reply:

    I agree Daniel I love all of those jungle drums 🙂

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  4. Bob Says:

    It’s great – I’ve been listening to lots of lost 80s stuff that I missed the first time around, and this (and Pray For Me) were in that batch. Great to hear it in pristine vinyl, thanks Paul!

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    DjPaulT Reply:

    Thank you Bob glad that you like it. It’s always fun to discover lost treasure 🙂

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  5. CL Says:

    Thanks!

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  6. Jeff Says:

    Gratitude is in order once again Paul for introducing a fantastic lost classic!! This is sooooooooo good!! Love the drums and those muscular vocals. I also love how you do all that you can to make the requests of others come to fruition. You work so hard. That’s why I love making donations to you because I get to see where the money goes. Not just for the site itself, but for the procurement of these requests and tremendous classics. THIS RECORD SHOULD HAVE BEEN MASSIVE!! Wouldn’t it be something that a forward thinking radio jock could start playing it and it would come to the attention of the masses? Stranger things have happened. Even if not, I so want the labels to maybe acquire you to help them “rescue” tracks with lost masters. Paul, you are so exceptional and phenomenal in the work you do. Just have to repeat myself again and again and AGAIN AND…

    Jeff

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    Martijn van Heeringen Reply:

    I totally agree Jeff. I downloaded tens of thousands of songs from some “80sforever” guy on the piratebay and this was one of those lost treasures I would otherwise never have found. But alas his upload was a bad quality.
    Since then I found out it was released nowhere else, not even on editions like “Rare & Remixed” or “Classic Alternatives”, so (with the help of the internet) I contacted Nick Hallam if he would not be interested to talk to guys like Blanc & Jones or Ben Liebrand who are releasing great (often lost or hard to find) 12 Inches on CD in good quality to resurrect and preserve this song and give it the popularity it deserves, but I guess he has moved on. Probably he does not realize what a gem he has produced!
    He said the original masters have probably been lost since all he had now was vinyl.
    But we have DJ Paul and this excellent post!! I am no sound specialist but looking at how it takes him one day to rip one vinyl and how the de-clicking is done manually, it is safe to assume the sound quality we have here excellent. This should go on some compilation CD and also on the radio!

    Maybe we should make a signed petition and contact Cherry Red Records to put this on some compilation?

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    Mixmaster Reply:

    That would be great as long as they credit DjPaulT for his excellent work in remastering. Heck maybe they could hire him to do some of their work. Cherry Red has put out some rather shotty material over the years. Would be nice to see DjPaulT get some recognition he really deserves it. I have ripped vinyl my self it is a very tedious process. Good on you Paul.

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    Jeff Reply:

    Hey Martijn,

    I have to tell you, I was really moved by your post. Not just your reply to me, but to Paul, expressing your profound sense of gratitude for this single. Actually, when I heard the record, I thought about what you said and really appreciated the information you provided. Hey, this may be the springboard to get our beloved DjPaulT some recognition. I certainly hope that even the band members might take a listen and see the potential for further records that may have lost masters. I say all the time to my wife and anyone that will listen, is that Paul boggles my mind. When it comes to dance music and the twelve inch record, there aren’t many out there – professionally – that really cares about the final product. Thank goodness there is Ben Liebrand, Blank & Jones, the Rare and Remixed people and a few others who do care about club culture and history because they do try their best to preserve and archive music. And thankfully there are fans like you and others who are on a quest for perfection. DjPaulT is a godsend, in my opinion. As you said, he spends an entire day working on the ripping process and he de-clicks manually everything. WHOA!! If this isn’t dedication, I don’t know what is. I’m so grateful for Paul’s obsession and dedication to quality. He’s stupendous in every way, plus one of the nicest human beings on this planet of ours. Thank you Martijn for showing great passion for Paul and the music. It’s so nice to have kindred spirits!!

    All the best,

    Jeff

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    Martijn van Heeringen Reply:

    Thank you Jeff, it is indeed nice to know and hear that people exist with kindred spirits. All the credits go to DJPaul for his diligent work on remastering, and of course to all these fantastic artists of the 80s!
    I contacted Ben Liebrand, see reaction below!

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  7. Cory Says:

    LOVE!!! 🙂 Thank you!

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    DjPaulT Reply:

    You’re welcome Cory 🙂

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  8. Martijn van Heeringen Says:

    Hello DJPaulT, I contacted Ben Liebrand on his site and told him about this wonderful track. I mailed him in Dutch so it won’t work to paste my mail here. But a brief summary then.. I gave him a youtube link that I uploaded some years ago to get an impression of the track and I uploaded your FLAC file as a master to his site – masters he chooses and re-remasters for his Grand 12 Inches series. Of course I gave him the link to this site and I told him if he would be interested he should contact you -and the Hallam bros (which is easy through Facebook or discogs).
    When a track makes it in his cd box, he always gives the credits so they will go to you then. Let us hope this song will become an 80s classic!
    I did a similar thing to the Blanc & Jones site, since they are usually more into ‘alternative’ stuff, while Ben Liebrand is more into disco and funk.

    Maybe this is also the place to complete my long story with some more suggestions, in case your list is always open for this:
    Alison Moyet’s LA Remix, or Extended Version of Is This Love, is only on this CD from Australia so very likely Vinyl remaster which you could do better
    https://www.discogs.com/Various-More-New-Fashioned-Love-Songs-Vol-4/release/1464494
    Seona Dancing (with Ricky Gervais!) More To Lose (Extended Mix). It is only on a Philippines EP, and otherwise probably vinylrips on Retroactive 5 Rare&Remixed and So80s9
    Another super track is, probably also vinyl remaster Classic Alternatives 2,
    We Run, Extended Single mix by Strange Advance. This group has only the Advanced Mix included on a cd, but not this better shorter Extended Single Version.

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    DjPaulT Reply:

    Thank you Martijn. Maybe he will be impressed enough to contact me.I have already posted the Alison Moyet 12″ and have both Seona Dancing singles just have not gotten to them yet. Strange Advance I do not have but it’s in my list to buy.

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    Martijn van Heeringen Reply:

    Wow somehow I missed Alison Moyet – I must have been on holiday. I downloaded them now, thanks again!!!

    Will you also re upload the older uploads that have dead multiupload links?

    I look forward to future posts, of course.

    BAD NEWS FROM BEN LIEBRAND – he just emailed me and told me this track was not his style – he did not like the manual drum which to him was out of sync with the drum computer. He is not so much into ‘alternative’, although I think records that are posted here enrich any 12 inch collection where usually disco and funk dominate anyway.

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    Jeff Reply:

    Thanks Martijn for doing all you can to get Paul’s name out there and his fantastic work. It’s a shame about Mr. Liebrand, but he has a right to his opinion and I do love his Grand 12-Inches compilations. At least you got DjPaulT’s name out there to him and Paul has worked his magic on many records that do fit into Ben’s chosen musical genres. I so want Paul to, not just get acknowledgement for his hard and stupendous work, but maybe doors will open for him to have a career in the remastering business. I will always hope, pray and put out positive vibrations and wishes to obtain this reality!!

    And I hope Cherry Red will see the value to Paul’s vision and output. The future is so bright with potential that’s for sure.

    Thanks again for this discussion Martijn. Your vibes and passion are certainly addictive.

    Have a very nice day and weekend!!

    Jeff

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    Martijn van Heeringen Reply:

    Good weekend to you too! Ben Liebrand also told me some reasons, apart from taste, why he has never really been into ‘alternative’ 80s stuff. In his opinion alternative songs often flirt with disco but pretend to have a different style and he likes the ‘real’ thing. Some of the places were he played in the 80s that were more alternative irritated him, since he had the feeling these people actually loved disco but did not want to admit it to themselves, so they only ‘dared’ to dance a little on alternative records of groups that were equally ‘hypocrite’ in their semi disco sound.

    I posted the FLAC file of Is This Love by Alison Moyet, and who knows, maybe that one will make it to cd, since it is only on some Australian compilation.

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    Bellenger1981 Reply:

    Seona Dancing’s “More to Lose [Extended Mix]” is in master tape quality on both “Retro:Active 5” and “so8os 9”. I own both of these releases, and they are not vinyl transfers.

    Strange Advance’s “We Run [Extended Single Mix]” appeared on 2003’s “Classic Alternatives” 6-CD box set, released by SPG in Canada. This release has long been out of print, but I managed to snatch a copy upon its original release. I can confirm that it is in master tape quality on this release. It needs to be re-released, regardless.

    Thank you for the fantastic post, Paul!

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    Martijn van Heeringen Reply:

    Hello, I know the cd’s you are talking about and I have digital copies of these. The sound seems indeed good to me, but then again I am no sound specialist. I do know there are a lot of 80s compilations out there that use vinyl rips while is it not mentioned on the cd like Ben Liebrand does (in exceptions, he mostly uses cd).
    How can you be sure S080s, and Retro Active, and Classic Alternative series really used masters?

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    Bellenger1981 Reply:

    I cannot know for sure that the aforementioned tracks really used original masters. I am going by the liner notes of the “Retro:Active” series, which states that “any audio imperfections are due to original source masters”. I would hope that the compilers would be honest. Based on how the tracks sound, I have no reason not to believe that they are telling the truth. Many vinyl transfers show the imperfections of vinyl — that is, hiss, popping, rumbling, and noise. If they are vinyl transfers and are so well done that any of these imperfections cannot be heard, then great! In this case, it’s just as good as a master.

    Blank & Jones claim to have used master tape sources for all tracks on “So8os 9” — and again, based on what I hear, I have no reason to doubt them.

    As for the “Classic Alternatives” box set, actually a handful of the tracks use vinyl transfers, as evident by the pop, static, and hiss noise. “We Run [Extended Single Mix]” sounds perfectly clean to my ears. Again, I have no proof other than my own ears.

    I have nothing against vinyl transfers whatsoever, provided that care was taken in transferring them to digital. Several big record labels have done some shoddy transfers over the years. Like I’ve stated above, if the transfer is very well done and it is virtually indistinguishable from a master tape, then great!

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    Martijn Reply:

    I just thought when I had sent the post that the info might have been in the booklets that I do not have. I agree with you when it comes to quality and I do not mind vinyltransfer as long as it is done well. However for audiophiles and/or DJs vinyl is often heard in the beginning ( needle on the record). I have so superstereoset nor a big house though to be able to really hear that while playing it loud.
    Interesting though how Blanc and Jones got these so different source tapes. I know Ben Liebrand gets them for cd collectors on discogs mostly.

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  9. Martijn van Heeringen Says:

    I also sent an email to Cherry Pop and Blanc & Jones with same request but it is difficult to assess if it gets to them personally and thus if they read it.

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